They responded to me within the next day which I thought was impressive. I’m not fond of spending a thousand bucks on a tractor I paid 2,100.00 for only 4 years ago so I have been reading your post and looking over different alternatives. Twin kawi motor, fabricated deck, metal hood, tuff torq k72. I just learned today that Tuff Torq will build us a limited number of new K66’r! The LT is not a low end box store knockoff. You can find the parts you need at jdparts. In 2008 I had my second one done, this time it cost me $350, and JD said this is it, buy a bigger tractor. Looking for an update. The products at the Dealerships are significantly better and much higher priced. The fourth option in dealing with my John Deere that won’t climb hills is to buy a transmission upgrade kit and I am NOT mechanically inclined! for the first movement but after that it was back to it’s old self, but with more noise. Mow 4 acres hilly ground. Suggestions? How easy is it to change the oil on the new K66? Needless to say, if you want a kit, take a hard look at the current one’s on eBay. The dealer picked it up and said nothing was wrong (I wish I discovered this site last year!). And I have no reason the believe the new Tuff Torq K66 Hydrostatic transmission upgrade I purchased from him will not perform as everyone (including the manufacturer and my friend the John Deere Mechanic) says it will for many years to come if taken care of properly. I know it’s unfair that JD puts their name on this junk, but they need to compete and this is the only way they know how. Say what you want about Murray lawn tractors, but I’ve owned two of them with over 25 years of use between the both of them and have never had one issue with the hydro, motors, etc. I can bore the non technical crowd with FMEA analysis, 5-Y’s and root cause analysis done on the front end of the product launch that exposed this issue. It actually brings the front end quite a ways up when starting off at full speed :) As for the hills, no problem at all and in fact, I can stop in the middle of the hill and continue without any problems. I bought this jd 130 in 2007. ( becuase i did some calling around to other shops about my problem and was told how much it will probably cost to fix my transaxle). A neighbor had purchased it from Lowe’s and a couple weeks later he was notified his reserve unit was being deployed. Would love to be part of a class action suit. Since your tractor has a MANUAL PTO, be sure to check that part out. The engine is running fine and the mower deck was working great but it wouldn’t pull itself. If I hadn’t spent so time and money on the engine I would be tempted to junk the whole thing. The hydrostatic transmission in your lawn tractor requires servicing that includes draining the old hydrostatic oil, changing the filter and adding new hydrostatic oil. Check out your potential Cub Cadet very carefully before you pull your credit card. Well guys this is the same song every one else is singing. My L118 limited edition performs horrible. Can’t believe a realativly new mower can’t pull itself. count me in! I think I will start looking for red or orange machine tomorrow that my local shop will work on., I grew up on farm with nothing but John Deere green but I am more interested in machines that Work! A payback would be nice. YES it mows my hilly yard in 1/3 the time and 1/4 the gasoline used. I just started having these problems but notice that the original post is very old. It’s an amazing device that makes your tractor a tractor. Called a couple of places that rebuild trannys and both said the same thing if the fluid change didn’t help rebuild it! I pushed it back to the barn. Joe: ABSOLUTELY! I am the owner of a LX176 lawn tractor that has the transmission very weak these days. Thnx!!! but leave R.H. wheel off. Are you trying to tell me that I should have known that there is a low end and it’s my fault for buying it? Had to replace the transmission. (And not a JD – they are way too much money. So I took the axle apart and saw the dirty black fluid knowing that was a major factor in failure. I cannot tell if the sound is coming from the fan itself, the bearing it sits in, or somewhere else, but other than the noise it does not appear to affect the running operation. You’ll have to come up with a vent plug now… I was going to use a short 3/8 bolt and drill a 1/16 vent hole thru it… then just screw it into the hose. It’s coming! (Maybe $100-200 more for the LT’s and X300’s) The Super 500 will come in under $2900, but WOW … what a ride! Can’t believe how poorly engineered the John Deere equipment currently is! Too much for a heavy-duty paper weight…….. Everyone is jumping on John Deere and their poor quality. hi.i have lt150 hydrostatic has done 700 hrs has just started not going up hills .i changed oil made no diffence .i think i sell as is, Hello Roger what is the cost of the K66 kit now? After the kids were done school I was planning on buying a John Deere full sized tractor like the 2720 or even a 3000 series with a cab and a 60″ front mount snow blower since I have a 1100′ driveway with a bad hill and a sharp curve in it so plowing snow in the winter with an old Bronco is a challenge without getting stuck. FYI: I’m considering setting up a “Refurbishing and Upgrade” service. > It is likely any “model specific” attachments, such as snow equipment will also need to be replaced. Not my best move. Hydrostatic transmission, often abbreviated to "hydro drive," is a propulsion method used since the early 1970s, mostly on lawn tractors and mowers. BRAKES ARE NOT WORKING PROPERLY: This is a simple solution. I will do a little research on other brands for the next purchase. Afterall we all bought John Deeres, the tractor that lasts forever, right? That thing runs circles around this critter that I paid over $4000 for it, for a lawn ornament, a very expensive one. 124 hours! I don’t know if anyone answered Bill’s question on September 13th, 2009 regarding whether these kits would fit the JD L111. I just signed the petition and agree 100% this is not right to have to spend the money that we have to purchase a machine that is supposed to be the “top dog” but instead is a dog when it comes to performance. Regarding Terry’s question about fitment of the K72 in various JD models, such as the LT series. I am also having this problem with my LA 140. It is slowly dying. Start engine and adjust the throttle for high idle speed (full throttle). I have followed your thoughts and I am of exactly like mind. plus a quality transaxle that is built to automotive standards and is completely serviceable. There is an A, AA, AC, AD, etc. It ran for about 20 minutes and failed again, took it apart again the new oil was dirty. I haven’t logged on to this forum in a long time, because I’m happy as pig in sh.. with my new K66 tranny. Who’s the guilty party here? I removed the transmission and replaced the oil with 20W 50 full synthetic. Thank you for this page that open my eyes .l. Soooo, does anyone know what upgrade will work on an LT mower? that don’t have any problems with the transmission, it’s kind of like a mtd, ( the sst16) ,please put me on the list. All of the inexpensive, surplus, K66’s are gone. The “Box Stores” boasted a 4 year warranty I guess I didn’t read the fine print…4 year/120 hour warranty. more or less. I have a 25hp ..54inch cut mower. I would LOVE to be on that law suit if it ever happens! Drop me an e-mail at nawcloggie@hotmail.com. The bigger DEERES have oil coolers on them. I’ll be aboard that train! even talked my son inlaw in buying a $30,000 john deer. I expressed my concern at the time that the same fault may happen again, … Kyle: At least you have a new drive belt. Interesting reading everyone. I want my new transmission . Again “nothing drives like a Deere” – that is for sure. I took mower to dealership to have oil changed. Discussion in 'Dozers' started by pogfmk, Jun 6, 2016. pogfmk New Member. If you are wanting an Upgrade Kit, don’t wait too long. If I could have bought another mower with a transmission like the k66 for under $3,000, I would have jumped on it. I fired up John Deer after 4 years, Still has same problem after 20 min or so of mowing. ), 2 blade belts, 2 drive belts (didn’t really need to replace the second one, but since I had the transaxle out anyway, I just needed to have a little more fun), 3 blade engagement switches, 1 battery–and new blade set every year. I understand Roger will only be selling a limited amount of these upgrades in the future do to JD pricing. Dealer said they would put heavier oil in. It has a great motor but has the K46 trans and 20″ wheels . One of the first problems we saw, was that the reverse lost power. Looking for someone with a JD X300 and/or LTxxx that wants to do a “Super 500” upgrade and is willing to do “Beta” development. It’s really bad now and will need to be repainted. I bought a John Deere cuz I thought the JD was the best,,,well,,,After this transmission problem and see this is normal after 300 Hrs. Dennis …”, FYI: We have 20 kits left, however we are on a temporary shipping hold, waiting for two brackets from JD. I have an extremely steep hill, so steep that I have to bend down when riding so that my center of gravity is lower. With sales of about 1-2 per day, I expect the whole upgrade program will be done in a month, or less. Last night I drained all the black, grimy oil…..it looked TERRIBLE! Is this the same problem with the transmission. If you want to do an upgrade – Don’t wait. For the last several years I have been cutting my yard in patterns such that I’m going downhill on most cutting passes and going back up hill on the pathway with the least amount of slope. Hi Jim, I just forwarded my email to Roger. First the anti-backfire mechanism broke on the carb. I have a LA165 about 8 yrs old and it sucks for blowing snow no power in forward reverse is ok. No whining noise however when.trying to go forward it sounds like a grinding noise(not a real grinding) just sounds like it wants to move but no it won’t. Their sales and profits are in the B B B Billions, annually, but they won’t do the simple things to improve a product or satisfy a customer. The hood and body parts do crack easily. The lawsuit should be directed at Tuff Torq. Sure would be nice if a class action suit would include that series mower. Then the vinyl on the seat cracked in several places. We got 15 inches of snow here in South Dakota with blizzard conditions for 2 days. Would this upgrade kit work for me? They changed the belt. Does the 155 series have the same transmissions as the L120 and 130 you are talking about ? Long story short! I do all the prescribed maintenance, and have never had any functional issues pulling/mowing/climbing. If you buy another “under $5000” tractor, you will soon find yourself in the same fix. . For a person with average skills, about five hours is required. John deere d170 2015. Aside from the swift response of the online service, the customer support from John Deere has truly been abysmal with many of our emails not even including a salutation. and this was in 1995. Here are some models to choose from right now, with free shipping – and eBay guarantees the purchase!. Was told I needed to buy a new transmission from my John Deere dealer as this one is not serviceable. I have replaced all of the bearings on the deck. I ask because in a former life, I had a brand new “265” – Garden tractor that I used mostly daily over about 10 years. I have clean the carburetor out and replaced the fuel filter. Looking at the order he said to look on the next page of the instruction and i’d see that my upgrade required washers (as spacers which were included) instead. 2 mows later and it died. Wow Jim…..thanks for your immediate response. They have to many lawyers to beat them in court and a class action will last years but the A.G., if you have enough people (at least well over 1,ooo) sending in their notarized complaints about John Deere then he can order a recall or reimbursement or file charges against them. This decay results in air and atmospheric moisture becoming blended into the oil, properly called entraining. I found a wire wrapped around on off the parts one the left side of the transmission but couldn’t tell if it caused any problem. love jd product but the L130 is not up to having a jd sticker they should make it right for all the loyal jd consumers, Let me preface this posting first: The transmission problem started last summer. I have been thinking of ordering the upgrade K66 From reading all the previous posts ..nope, not going to happen .. I’m sure the kit is a great product and would fix all my problems.. but after this investment not only will I never buy a JD product .. If you think you might want an Upgrade Kit for your JD Lxxx/LAxxx tractor, please don’t wait until they are all gone. let me know. The salesman never asked me what type of acreage or terrain I mowed. John Deere (Deere & Co.) has requested that we not use the name “John Deere” in our websites or email addresses. Therefore, your upgrade kit is well worth the investment! Spoken like a true John Deere salesman, one who assumes that people know the difference between models; or, as you infer, that everyone is lying about the hill they have to mow and that all salesmen are honest and have been mislead. I spoke with my local John Deere dealership and they have steel stock available to make Keys for the various sized axles. Looked up Tuff Torq and found the right trans axle. I have a Cub Cadet 3 speed that can pull a house, (though its only about 35 yrs old) but need some TLC. I called my local John Deere dealer and described the problem and scheduled for them to pick up my tractor, which is a $75 pickup/drop off charge. Regardless of there being a better older machine or an upgrade, the point still stands that John Deere concealed a problematic design on a unit that retailed for over $2300.00. This section is about Phishing; way in which crooks try to get you to give them your personal information! This transmission gives it all kinds of tourq. Please, help if you can, I need to fix so i can sell this mower. I have an offer on hand requesting an initial sales price of $200 for a secondhand unit. 3) Can I run the mower with out the fan for a limited time? With all the poor starving lawyers out there, someone is missing the chance of a lifetime for a class-action lawsuit against John Deere. I had it welded and did it myself, 25 minutes TOTAL. My K46 to K66 Upgrade Kits are currently on-hold, awaiting parts from JD. I am going to cut out about an acre of the steepest yard and let it go back to field. I bought my L130 because it said heavy duty. I pushed one time about 6 inches of powder. Let me know how it goes – took us about5 hours (we we not rushing…). If it will not break traction then it is bad. Include me on this lawsuit, I bought a John Deere because that is all we owned growing up but my La140 is loosing power going up and down hill, there is no way I am going to put a 1700.00 transmission in it. This thing’s a “beast” now! ago. I could see from forum posts and eBay status that it was safe not to mention that eBay guaranteed the purchase; the fact that I had a phone number to call made me feel that much better. Takes synthetic 5w50, our church has a la175 it’s having the same problem a lot of other tractors is slowing down and stops moving all together i feel John Deere needs to make this right and have a recall. Have a L120 with 325 hours. John Deere should not be allowed to get away with what are apparently a number of defective products. It took 5min. I will post the results here. I have a 5 year old D120 that has 80 hours on it. They finally said it was probably the tranny and the cost to replace it was way too much, so here it sits growing older and not working. Yeah, add me to the lawsuit too… JD SHOULD pick up the tab for the recall/ upgrade/repair bill on the ENTIRE Series of machines that have these apparently cheap-shit axles. I was given a JD l120 with 435 hours on it with the issue of not climbing hills after about 30 minutes of running. I guess we lost Ken somewhere down the road….? I have a Cub Cadet of similar size an power, it gets used on my 5 acre parcel in Michigan regularly without ANY issues. So, I’ve put together a class action lawsuit form and collecting names – if you’re in the same boat as me, take a minute and sign the form. I have to cut a small amount and give it about two hours to cool then repeat. When these 48 kits are sold, we expect to be permanently out of the Upgrade business. ? It has always taken 30 to 35 rounds to crank if it sets for 1 week. Today January 22, 2015, the mower has only 76.3 hours on it and the transmission is failing. I decided to take to john deere dealer, $1000 to fix. Hook the kids and when they grow up that is the product they buy. Sign me up for the class action lawsuit. I would’ve gladly paid the couple of hundred extra when I bought the machine. Roger, do you sell the mounting hardware for the hood? Now the problem is keeping my wife oof the mower. Add me to the list please. I hate my John Deere D170. To repair the transmission will run about a grand. hole and pushed it into the hose… snug fit nicely. It’s never been abused, towed anything, pushed anything, or mowed hils. Hi I have a John Deere 2004 lawn tractor with transmission troubles, LT160, hydrostatic. The fact is, John Deere installed a completely “non-serviceable” transmission in their “L” series Lawn Tractors, know that their transmission will break down under normal conditions, and worse, charge you $1,800 for the K66. I cut grass on my 115 automatic JD and parked it for a few min. In most cases it will take some relative simple mods, but very “do able.”. I found the rubber plug described above and removed it, and then came to my computer to see if I could determine what type of oil to add to the trans. couple of times, wiping it off after each “dip,” until you get a clear picture of the oil level. Seeing that it was not a speed demon, it made me question if something was wrong. From your description, can I assume that your LA120 was running OK prior to changing the mower belt? The hood is broke on the front and I no longer have the mounting brackets to fix it if I buy a new hood. That unit failed in 2 hours. To Ken G: Thanks for the very nice report. Piece of junk as far as I am concerned, I bought a L 130 JD off my neighbor he told me the transmission was going bad and yes of coarse it want even come out of my ditch and the mower is slowing down bad so its time to purchase a K66 transmission. Being I don’t I am using my daughter’s access to let you know something very important concerning the failure of the John Deere lawnmowers. An upgrade just makes sense …ask any of our 300+ upgrade customers. .ever. I was just getting ready to go and buy a secound JD so son and I could mow at the same time. Now I sleep better at night knowing I have two John Deere products over 30+ years that will get the lawn mowed and the snow plowed when I need it. Not only did it make my mower a stronger machine but Roger is a great person to deal with. later the repair shop calls and tells me the transmission is bad! I was soo wrong! Does anyone know if cock valves have been installed in the K46? The reliability of the J.D. Changing the transmission fluid and installing new fluid may indeed fix your problem! It would be completely disassembled and everything inspected. You will not see these prices again. Not sure what this country has become. My previous mower lasted 41 YEARS (it was not a Deere). hi i have a john Deere 235GT and the hydrostatic drive unit broke took it to my local dealer in Grand Ledge, MI had it a week and didn’t fix it, they were to busy setting on there bottoms so I took it home, ordered parts and rebuilt it myself. The designed lifespan is 6-8 years on the L series and 15-18 years on the premium line X series mowers. I’m in for the lawsuit. Hope to change my mowing pattern to avoid some of the pulling slopes. Sure, you can pick up a new John Deere lawn mover Model LA125 for $1,799 from Home Depot right now, but… When I bought my L120, it was around the same price. I am sad to read and learn of all these complaint…….Having that LA 135 was a Topper for me and my property, now my transmission is in the shop. It has fluid in it but has been leaking this last year. Transmission very weak, unit is slow even with the pedal to the floor. Small hills become a challange and it slows to a crawl…with the peddle to the floor! I never hardly have any problems other than a spark plug coil burnt out while mowing. i took transmission apart in the pump i put small washers under the springs. Just some info. I live in Ohio and am wondering what I’m going to do about this situation. Found somethings with wear, but most were made of aluminum. Hi Terry5153: Regarding your question … not likely. Same as all the rest $2,700 for a boat ——–, I have the same problem, but with a john deere 420. The K58 has 1″ axles, as does the K66 and has somewhat similar specs as the K66, except it does not have the external oil reservoir. I was never happen with it even when it was brand new as it won’t pull in reverse. I sure hope we can get a recall and some peace of mind, after all this is the good old USA right. I have about a 15 percent grade on the side of my home and it won’t go up it after about 30 minutes of mowing. Forget saving John Deere’s name, what about Tuff Torque’s? I’m as strong a “buy made in the USA” guy as there is anywhere and I’ll look for another USA machine if possible but if JD management thinks their customers aren’t worth keeping then we should send our message loud and clear. I too bought a John Deere due to it’s reputation. I have the same problems with a JOHN Deere L118!!! I have just located this blog. I just though it be safer for me at age to use chains on it. PS. LA-145 Same problem. The first thing I would look at is the “free wheeling rod.” (A small push/pull rod extending from the back hitch plate of the tractor) If this rod was inadvertently pulled out, the tractor will not move. Is your upgrade kit only for JD products or is there a K66 upgrade for my 2004 Craftsman available? Although I have admit I will most definitely sign up for Roger’s K72 when he has it finished. If I can purchase only parts and upgrade from that, it would be a big bonus rather than an entire trans/axle assembly. The JD sits under a tarp because I am sick and tired of trying to keep it working. I considered buying a new K46, but I know I will be out $600 plus and have all these same issues by summertime. It is being built around the TT K72 (Used in the JD 500).and will include the useful things, like the differential lock, but not the price raising non-performance “frills.” The underlying concept: If you need a stronger tractor (or one that just runs!) Very interesting. While most folks on this page are having difficulties, it must be remembered there are thousands operating satisfactorily. The dealer now says not enough tractor (never mentioned this when I bought), and only about $150 for trade in! I have a john deere 130 with the same problem . We spent $2300 on this mower and now I have nothing to show for it. written on it. 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